I really don't understand. I was raised a Christian, but it must have been a funny kind of Christianity, because it was mostly centred around accepting my neighbour, offering forgiveness for those I don't much care for, and mostly, and this is the one bit I remember being hammered into us, having nothing but love for my fellow man and woman, certainly never hatred. Wasn’t Jesus nailed to a bit of wood because he dared to suggest that we should actually be nice to one another, and treat each other equally? - I mean in essence, because if he had declared himself the Son of God and then just mouthed off about how the Romans and Priest were the best, I suspect they would have left him alone.
So you see, proposing love and acceptance over bigotry and intolerance is always the much less attractive route. You were taught this bit of Christianity right?
You probably have no idea what I am going on about. Which I think is the real pity here.
Anyway, I appreciate your point of view and certainly feel it is a valid argument. Clearly I do not agree with it, but you’re entitled to it none the less - also I understand you didn't write the article, but the fact you link to it without critique indicates that you agree with the tone of the piece.
Incidentally, a recent study at Cambridge University on homophobia revealed that in over 75% of the cases they studied (upwards of 2000 men and women who find a homosexual act morally repugnant) had very strong signs of latent homosexuality themselves. As opposed to only 15% in self defined heterosexual men and women with a 'liberal' attitude toward homosexuals
Funny that.
Anyway, keep blogging; I look forward to more opinion (however much I disagree with it) with interest.
I appreciate your comments, especially that for the most part you conducted yourself in a gentlemanly-like way.
Yes, Jesus was "nice" to people, but he was not just "nice". He was intolerant of sin and actually got pretty mad a few times.
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Is Christianity intolerant? Yes it is intolerant. In fact, it is very intolerant to say that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that no one can get to God except through Him as Jesus Himself said in John 14:6. It is also intolerant to state that there is no other name under heaven other than Jesus by which a person can be forgiven of his sins as Peter said in Acts 4:12. It is intolerant to say that there is only one true God as Jesus said in John 17:3. It is also intolerant to say that trying to enter into heaven by any other way than Jesus is to be a thief and a robber as Jesus said in John 10:1. Jesus was intolerant when He said that He is the one who reveals God to people (Luke 10:22). Jesus was even more intolerant of religious hypocrisy when He condemned the religious know-it-alls and called them hypocrites and deceivers (Matt. 23:25-26). Jesus was extremely intolerant of the buying and selling in the temple when He drove the people out of it by force and overturned their money tables (John 2:13-16). Jesus was intolerant of hatred when He said "love your enemies" (Luke 6:27). Jesus was intolerant of ignorance when He taught the people truth (Matt. 5). Jesus was intolerant of prejudice when He gave the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:30-37). Yes, Christianity is intolerant because its founder, Jesus, was intolerant. Christianity is intolerant of false gods and false gospels. Why is it so intolerant? Because it is shaped after Jesus. It is intolerant because there is a hell and Jesus, who is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), who died for our sins (1 Pet. 2:24), has made the only way to forgiveness a reality: through Him alone (John 14:6) and without Him comes damnation. On the other hand, Christianity is very tolerant. It teaches to be very forgiving (Matt. 18:21-22), to be patient and kind (Gal. 5:22-23), and to be honest and wholesome (Phil. 4:6-8). Jesus taught us to love and to heal and to be examples of kindness and truth in the world. Jesus was intolerant of religious hypocrisy and bigotry. He was very intolerant of false teachers. He was intolerant of pride, rebellion, sin, covetousness, adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, fornicating, and murder. He was intolerant of husbands treating their wives poorly. He was intolerant of pain and was saddened by suffering. Yet, at the same time He demonstrated the greatest love and patience with those who were guilty of all these things. Why? Because He is God in flesh, incarnate love, incarnate righteousness, incarnate humility. The whole issue of whether or not Christianity is intolerant lies in who Jesus is, what He claimed, and what He did. If what Jesus said and did is true, then Christianity isn't intolerant. It is simply true and it is the world that is intolerant of that truth. Christianity is only as intolerant as Jesus is true.
Well, I appreciate your comment edwaddo, this is what I found:
1- Jesus Christ condemned homosexuality in an explicit way, when He spoke about the devastation of Sodom & Gomorrah (Luke 10:12). See also (Gen. 19:24 - Jud. 7). The Holy Bible warns also saying: “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor Sodomites, nor thieves… will inherit the Kingdom of God” (1Cor. 6:9,10). See also (Rom. 1:26-32), and what is mentioned in Old Testament: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them” (Lev. 8:22 -Lev. 20:13).
OK the issue at Sodom & Gomorrah was not homosexuality, it was everything with everything else. To summarise: the lack of decency and respect for other people (and animals) - very bad. (Very interesting part of the Bible though. The warning from God, fleeing from the city, turning into a pillar of salt, total destruction).
And then you start quoting the bible - of which I am sure you can pluck more than a few choice quotes. The point was references that Jesus had made, and on that you're lacking.
Sorry, I just re-read your last post. Leviticus quotes.
Your using the Bible to suggest that gay people should be killed. (Apart from the fact that L. seems to be asking a question. Dont know the context here, so not clear if it was rhetorical)
I'm lost for words. You'll be pleased to hear, I wont be coming here again.
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Why do you care about homosexuality?
I really don't understand. I was raised a Christian, but it must have been a funny kind of Christianity, because it was mostly centred around accepting my neighbour, offering forgiveness for those I don't much care for, and mostly, and this is the one bit I remember being hammered into us, having nothing but love for my fellow man and woman, certainly never hatred. Wasn’t Jesus nailed to a bit of wood because he dared to suggest that we should actually be nice to one another, and treat each other equally? - I mean in essence, because if he had declared himself the Son of God and then just mouthed off about how the Romans and Priest were the best, I suspect they would have left him alone.
So you see, proposing love and acceptance over bigotry and intolerance is always the much less attractive route. You were taught this bit of Christianity right?
You probably have no idea what I am going on about. Which I think is the real pity here.
Anyway, I appreciate your point of view and certainly feel it is a valid argument. Clearly I do not agree with it, but you’re entitled to it none the less - also I understand you didn't write the article, but the fact you link to it without critique indicates that you agree with the tone of the piece.
Incidentally, a recent study at Cambridge University on homophobia revealed that in over 75% of the cases they studied (upwards of 2000 men and women who find a homosexual act morally repugnant) had very strong signs of latent homosexuality themselves. As opposed to only 15% in self defined heterosexual men and women with a 'liberal' attitude toward homosexuals
Funny that.
Anyway, keep blogging; I look forward to more opinion (however much I disagree with it) with interest.
I appreciate your comments, especially that for the most part you conducted yourself in a gentlemanly-like way.
Yes, Jesus was "nice" to people, but he was not just "nice". He was intolerant of sin and actually got pretty mad a few times.
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Is Christianity intolerant? Yes it is intolerant. In fact, it is very intolerant to say that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that no one can get to God except through Him as Jesus Himself said in John 14:6. It is also intolerant to state that there is no other name under heaven other than Jesus by which a person can be forgiven of his sins as Peter said in Acts 4:12. It is intolerant to say that there is only one true God as Jesus said in John 17:3. It is also intolerant to say that trying to enter into heaven by any other way than Jesus is to be a thief and a robber as Jesus said in John 10:1. Jesus was intolerant when He said that He is the one who reveals God to people (Luke 10:22). Jesus was even more intolerant of religious hypocrisy when He condemned the religious know-it-alls and called them hypocrites and deceivers (Matt. 23:25-26). Jesus was extremely intolerant of the buying and selling in the temple when He drove the people out of it by force and overturned their money tables (John 2:13-16). Jesus was intolerant of hatred when He said "love your enemies" (Luke 6:27). Jesus was intolerant of ignorance when He taught the people truth (Matt. 5). Jesus was intolerant of prejudice when He gave the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:30-37).
Yes, Christianity is intolerant because its founder, Jesus, was intolerant. Christianity is intolerant of false gods and false gospels. Why is it so intolerant? Because it is shaped after Jesus. It is intolerant because there is a hell and Jesus, who is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), who died for our sins (1 Pet. 2:24), has made the only way to forgiveness a reality: through Him alone (John 14:6) and without Him comes damnation.
On the other hand, Christianity is very tolerant. It teaches to be very forgiving (Matt. 18:21-22), to be patient and kind (Gal. 5:22-23), and to be honest and wholesome (Phil. 4:6-8). Jesus taught us to love and to heal and to be examples of kindness and truth in the world. Jesus was intolerant of religious hypocrisy and bigotry. He was very intolerant of false teachers. He was intolerant of pride, rebellion, sin, covetousness, adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, fornicating, and murder. He was intolerant of husbands treating their wives poorly. He was intolerant of pain and was saddened by suffering. Yet, at the same time He demonstrated the greatest love and patience with those who were guilty of all these things. Why? Because He is God in flesh, incarnate love, incarnate righteousness, incarnate humility.
The whole issue of whether or not Christianity is intolerant lies in who Jesus is, what He claimed, and what He did. If what Jesus said and did is true, then Christianity isn't intolerant. It is simply true and it is the world that is intolerant of that truth.
Christianity is only as intolerant as Jesus is true.
OK. Yep, yep, yep. Got it. Check. Uhuh.
So it sounds like you just reinforced herge's point?
Or did I miss the bit where you quoted chapter and verse on Christ being intolerant of homosexuality?
Well, I appreciate your comment edwaddo, this is what I found:
1- Jesus Christ condemned homosexuality in an explicit way, when He spoke about the devastation of Sodom & Gomorrah (Luke 10:12). See also (Gen. 19:24 - Jud. 7). The Holy Bible warns also saying: “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor Sodomites, nor thieves… will inherit the Kingdom of God” (1Cor. 6:9,10). See also (Rom. 1:26-32), and what is mentioned in Old Testament: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them” (Lev. 8:22 -Lev. 20:13).
OK the issue at Sodom & Gomorrah was not homosexuality, it was everything with everything else. To summarise: the lack of decency and respect for other people (and animals) - very bad. (Very interesting part of the Bible though. The warning from God, fleeing from the city, turning into a pillar of salt, total destruction).
And then you start quoting the bible - of which I am sure you can pluck more than a few choice quotes. The point was references that Jesus had made, and on that you're lacking.
Sorry, I just re-read your last post. Leviticus quotes.
Your using the Bible to suggest that gay people should be killed. (Apart from the fact that L. seems to be asking a question. Dont know the context here, so not clear if it was rhetorical)
I'm lost for words. You'll be pleased to hear, I wont be coming here again.
In the Jewish Old Law, the crime of homosexuality was viewed in such a bad light that they were to be killed.
But, no, I am not suggesting that gays be killed, as I follow the New Law as taught by the Catholic Church.
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